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stamptherooster
Activist
USA
258 Posts |
 Posted - December 21 2009 : 09:22:01
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| I haven't heard anything about a challenger to Tom Coburn. Are the Democrats in Oklahoma just going to sit idle by while Senator Coburn gets a "free pass" at 6 more years? |
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soonersusan1954
Leader
2565 Posts |
Posted - December 21 2009 : 09:48:38
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| And How about a Candidate for CD5's open seat? |
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twoidhd
Leader
USA
3761 Posts |
Posted - December 21 2009 : 09:50:09
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quote:
Originally posted by stamptherooster
I haven't heard anything about a challenger to Tom Coburn. Are the Democrats in Oklahoma just going to sit idle by while Senator Coburn gets a "free pass" at 6 more years?
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - December 21 2009 : 11:20:21
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| Can you think of any person who would want to put in the time it will take to defeat coburn? |
I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - December 21 2009 : 11:22:01
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| Money and the church crowd will be the problems in that race. It will be another election=holy war |
I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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doublea
Organizer
984 Posts |
Posted - December 21 2009 : 11:25:20
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| Todd Goodman and Lauren Guhl are more concerned about getting a new office in Bricktown, they could care less about actually doing the job they were elected to do. |
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Mitch™
Leader
USA
1855 Posts |
Posted - December 21 2009 : 11:30:42
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quote:
Originally posted by stamptherooster
I haven't heard anything about a challenger to Tom Coburn. Are the Democrats in Oklahoma just going to sit idle by while Senator Coburn gets a "free pass" at 6 more years?
YEP. COBURN IS THAT GOOD.
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - December 21 2009 : 11:30:56
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| I agree, a race like that is not something any of last years bunch even want to touch. They want to deal with people who will not disagree and run a campaign Todd produces. Is the Harney kid still working for the Dem's? |
I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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soonerolds
Grassroots
USA
44 Posts |
Posted - December 21 2009 : 16:57:24
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I am curious about Harney as well because he called my house while I was out last week and I just assumed it was a fund raising solicitation call. I'm pretty sure the phone number was O.D.C.
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Mule Skinner
Leader
2265 Posts |
Posted - December 21 2009 : 18:17:36
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| That's crazy. Coburn's beatable. Heck, I'd give him a 50% chance of beating himself with one of his insane comments at the wrong time. |
Edited by - Mule Skinner on December 21 2009 21:18:47 |
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Calvin Rees
Administrator
USA
18203 Posts |
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imobannon
Leader
USA
3588 Posts |
Posted - December 21 2009 : 22:19:09
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Damn- the more this topic stays at the top, the more I wanna type that it reminds me of the SouthPark episode where they have to choose between a Douchebag and a Turd Sandwich. My thought- if we could could nominate a burning bag of shit (in a yellow-dog bag, of course), it would be great... but the dem in this state in the political environment, etc... the dem would have less chance than the bag of shit against coburn, who is the embodiment of a flaming pile of shit.
Unless it was, maybe, Brad Henry? He has cross party appeal because of his moderate stance... but hell- I'd take that over coburn any day. |
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Isaac M. O'Bannon - Norman (Veteran, Democrat)
imobannon2 (at) cox (dot)net
www.facebook.com/imobannon
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"A government can only be as rational as the people it represents." ~ Me
"Education and an open mind are essentially vaccinations against republicanism." ~ Me
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Mecoyle
Organizer
USA
845 Posts |
Posted - December 22 2009 : 00:20:21
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| So would I but I have heard Brad does not want to run for anything. I do think he would have the best chance at defeating Coburn, but I'm not sure he could do it either. |
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - December 22 2009 : 07:51:27
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| Roth would be good and it would be a great race if the Dem's would step up but I do not think they would get behind him. Free would be another but it would be the same story. |
I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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imobannon
Leader
USA
3588 Posts |
Posted - December 22 2009 : 10:46:55
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| I think the ODP is just waiting on Coburn and Inhofe to retire- wait for a race between two non-incumbents, rather than throw tons of money at a race that would probably be a loss anyways. |
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Isaac M. O'Bannon - Norman (Veteran, Democrat)
imobannon2 (at) cox (dot)net
www.facebook.com/imobannon
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"A government can only be as rational as the people it represents." ~ Me
"Education and an open mind are essentially vaccinations against republicanism." ~ Me
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soonersusan1954
Leader
2565 Posts |
Posted - December 22 2009 : 10:52:59
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| They have a showcase opportunity now in an open race in CD5. By the way how is fundraising going for our party? |
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peacearena
Activist
127 Posts |
Posted - December 22 2009 : 11:57:02
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quote:
Originally posted by imobannon
I think the ODP is just waiting on Coburn and Inhofe to retire- wait for a race between two non-incumbents, rather than throw tons of money at a race that would probably be a loss anyways.
There's the spirit! |
www.peacearena.org |
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - December 22 2009 : 15:00:47
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If they plan the same course of action as they did for the 2008 elections it would not matter who they could place in the race. We will still loose.
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I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - December 22 2009 : 15:02:11
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| What is the House PAC doing to prepare for 2010? |
I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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OKDem65
Grassroots
USA
67 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 09:12:33
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| If a teabagger runs against Coburn as an independent, then a Democrat has a chance of winning. But who among us has the money for a campaign? We won't get any help from the state party because they're broke. |
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Mule Skinner
Leader
2265 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 10:26:23
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| I certainly don't have that kind of money, but I've got some money earmarked for donating to anyone serious who does run. |
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 10:33:43
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| The money is out there but people are not handing it out due to lack of planning and team players. I don't mean follow the house pac and odp going to speak to the powers that hold the gold show them a unified plan and go kick ass. Coburn can be beat so can Inhofe. |
I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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Mule Skinner
Leader
2265 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 10:51:09
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Thinking about it...
Coburn actually has rather high approval numbers right now. Those are going to have to be driven down below 50% for anyone to have a chance. I think it should be quite doable though, as we actually have the fool on video saying there should be no government health coverage of any kind, and when we get sick we should all rely on the kindness of strangers like Scarlett Ohara. That means he would like to get rid of Medicare and the VA. You get that thought in people's heads, they aren't going to be so jazzed about sending him back to the Senate. And that's just one stupid thing he said. We have oodles of them.
The thing is, getting the word out about all this stuff is, by definition, negative campaigning. If actual candidates do that, some of the mud tends to splash back on them. However, since it isn't actually promoting a particular candidate, this is the kind of ad campaign that can be run by an unassociated PAC.
What I'm getting at here is that we don't really need a candidate to start doing the work that needs to be done on Coburn. Also, if his numbers can be dragged down a bit, it might be a lot easier to recruit a quality opponent. |
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 10:58:07
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| You are right on the money "Mule Skinner" |
I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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peacearena
Activist
127 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 11:34:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Mule Skinner
[... we should all rely on the kindness of strangers like Scarlett Ohara....
Not that it affects your argument, but you are thinking of Blanche DuBois in Streetcar Named Desire, not Scarlett O'Hara of Gone With the Wind.
Rena
B.A., English  |
www.peacearena.org |
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stamptherooster
Activist
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 13:41:14
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| How did howard dean win the majorities back in the federal congress for the Democrats...he had a 50 State Strategy. If the Oklahoma Democratic party doesn't develop and implement a 77 county strategy we will continue to circle the drain! We have to get organized and Now! That CD-5 congressional seat is up in the air, and the Dems should be recruiting candidates. |
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 15:15:17
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| There is not much of any strategy and as far as recruiting, well waht can be said?? |
I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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Elda L. Davis
Organizer
USA
632 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 16:12:43
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| I think Susan McCann should run for CD 5!She's go smarts and class! She could out argue most anyone and win the debate! I nominate Susan! |
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Mule Skinner
Leader
2265 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 16:38:07
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| lol. Thanks Rena. |
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cole koszara
Activist
USA
361 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 17:14:23
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Originally posted by Elda L. Davis
I think Susan McCann should run for CD 5!She's go smarts and class! She could out argue most anyone and win the debate! I nominate Susan!
I agree, Susan would be great for CD 5! |
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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soonersusan1954
Leader
2565 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 21:13:26
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| Wow Elda and Cole, that was very nice. You are absolutely right on one count I can out-argue lots of folks, not necessarily win, but I won't give up. Elda, you and Cole are like me in this sense. GIVE US a worthy CANDIDATE and we'll work our rears off for 'em. I really wish that Dr. Boyd Shook would consider running for CD5!!! Just a thought! Let's keep looking, anyone else have a suggestion?? |
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JoDavis
Leader
3419 Posts |
Posted - December 23 2009 : 21:26:01
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| Susan is my pick too. Arguing is not always the best strategy but working hard is and very few work as hard as Susan. |
Jo Davis
REAL DEMOCRATS SUPPORT EQUAL CIVIL AND ECONOMIC RIGHTS FOR ALL |
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Mecoyle
Organizer
USA
845 Posts |
Posted - December 24 2009 : 18:10:56
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| I still don't think Coburn is beatable. As long as our voters stay home and won't go vote or vote republican and as long as oklahoma voters think they'll be condemned to hell if they vote for a Godless, moraless, babykilling Democrat - the wingnuts will keep going to the polls in droves to vote for their hero - Tom Coburn - who has done so much for them and we will keep on losing. We need to find some way to overcome that kind of thinking in order to win an election. Any ideas? |
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Vindico
Grassroots
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - December 24 2009 : 23:37:12
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| Coburn is unbeatable in 2010. It's a waste of resources to attempt to win an unwinnable race. Focus on the races you can win. Despite the enthusiasm, 2010 will be a VERY REPUBLICAN year in Oklahoma. Just the way it is..Not losing existing seats will be victory for Democrats in 2010. |
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Mitch™
Leader
USA
1855 Posts |
Posted - December 25 2009 : 13:55:08
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YALL JIST GONNA GIVE IT TO COBURN WITHOUT A ELECTION?? SORTA LIKE A BIG ASS CHRISTMAS PREZENT?? SHORE= DOCTER TOM IS FUNNY= BUT HE RILLY AINT THAT GOOD A SENATOR.
MITCH
MERRY CHRISTMAS!! |
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OSUFanStan
Grassroots
USA
26 Posts |
Posted - December 29 2009 : 08:11:26
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| Coburn has already said he was going to retire after his third term. Unless the political climate does a complete 180 in this backwoods rednecked state, the best you can hope for is that he stays true to his word. |
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Mecoyle
Organizer
USA
845 Posts |
Posted - December 29 2009 : 13:22:52
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| He also said he would retire after one term and he had nothing to do with the C Street scandal. We already know he IS NOT a man of his word! He believes himself to be a prophet, chosen by God to lead and he will be in office as long as the people of Oklahoma are stupid enough to keep voting for him. |
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stamptherooster
Activist
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - December 30 2009 : 15:14:51
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| Surely there is some viable centrist Democrat out there that would fair well against coburn! He's an embarrasment to this State! |
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Mule Skinner
Leader
2265 Posts |
Posted - December 31 2009 : 08:00:03
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| If we want to wax him, better to find a viable populist Democrat. That's the kind of person who could really attack that rich poser where it hurts. |
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imobannon
Leader
USA
3588 Posts |
Posted - December 31 2009 : 08:05:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Mule Skinner
If we want to wax him, better to find a viable populist Democrat. That's the kind of person who could really attack that rich poser where it hurts.
A modern day Will Rogers? The gop-ers would slam him as being a Hollywood elitist. |
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Isaac M. O'Bannon - Norman (Veteran, Democrat)
imobannon2 (at) cox (dot)net
www.facebook.com/imobannon
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"A government can only be as rational as the people it represents." ~ Me
"Education and an open mind are essentially vaccinations against republicanism." ~ Me
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Raymond Emerson
Activist
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - January 01 2010 : 00:59:53
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Inhofe had 4 1/2 million and he only won by about 10%. Rice had 2 1/2 million. Would Rice have won had he had 4 1/2 million? TV spots and sound bites run this political world. If the democrats can't outspend the republicans they might as well go home and slam the door behind themselves.
Tom Cole had $1,000,000 from the RNC. In the last two races his opponent had 20 to 30 thousand dollars. They still got 28 to 30 percent of the vote. What would a million have done for them? The republicans are buying our politicians and using them for their own purposes. I think we need them worse.
There is one thing you can say for Inhofe. The energy companies bought him and he stays bought. Its a good thing he is not running from Nevada. If the "Shady Lady" or the "Cotton Tail Ranch" bought him he would have to show complete loyalty.
Can Coburn be beaten? He sure can. Does anybody have the money? You surely don't get something for nothing. He has to be outspent by a wide margin. Obama out spent McCain. |
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soonersusan1954
Leader
2565 Posts |
Posted - January 01 2010 : 10:07:17
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Absolutely it takes $$. Yes indeed Obama outspent McCain... BUT as importantly Obama OUT-ORGANIZED, OUT-STRATEGIZED and OUT-MESSAGED McCain. His War Chest was filled with a million $25 contributions. His State "Grassroots" Field Teams scoured each state through face-to-face, group-to-group, event-to-event organizing and THAT helps in explaining many of those $25 contributions.
WE could do the same in Oklahoma IF we had the organization, and leadership to do so. GOOD CANDIDATE 1st; BEST Organization 2nd. We shouldn't discount Grassroots Organization as a PRIME DIRECTIVE. |
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Teucer
Leader
1021 Posts |
Posted - January 01 2010 : 10:24:49
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quote:
Originally posted by soonersusan1954
Absolutely it takes $$. Yes indeed Obama outspent McCain... BUT as importantly Obama OUT-ORGANIZED, OUT-STRATEGIZED and OUT-MESSAGED McCain. His War Chest was filled with a million $25 contributions. His State "Grassroots" Field Teams scoured each state through face-to-face, group-to-group, event-to-event organizing and THAT helps in explaining many of those $25 contributions.
WE could do the same in Oklahoma IF we had the organization, and leadership to do so. GOOD CANDIDATE 1st; BEST Organization 2nd. We shouldn't discount Grassroots Organization as a PRIME DIRECTIVE.
Susan, you should run for state party chair. |
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soonersusan1954
Leader
2565 Posts |
Posted - January 01 2010 : 11:19:32
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| Well, I get a little carried away, but we know what we saw and experienced in this last campaign. The Republican controlled OK. Legislature has given us all the fuel for fire we need to create the messaging that would make for strong campaigns. The energy (volunteers) is/are still there from the Obama grassroots campaign. We could and WILL win some races. We, Change Oklahoma, plan on being very involved. |
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Mecoyle
Organizer
USA
845 Posts |
Posted - January 01 2010 : 23:10:14
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quote:
Originally posted by stamptherooster
Surely there is some viable centrist Democrat out there that would fair well against coburn! He's an embarrasment to this State!
Problem is...the majority of the people in Oklahoma who actually go vote do not see him as an embarrasment to the state. They see him as a fine, outstanding Christian man with excellent family values ordained by God to be our leader! In their eyes, he can do no wrong and they will continue to find some way to justify everything he does and they will continue to go to the polls in droves to keep electing him. |
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Calvin Rees
Administrator
USA
18203 Posts |
Posted - January 02 2010 : 07:56:28
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quote:
Originally posted by soonersusan1954
They have a showcase opportunity now in an open race in CD5. By the way how is fundraising going for our party?
Let us ask our 5th District Officers to see if they can get a fundraising report. not just a treasurers report. |
Calvin Rees
http://www.queensboro.com/ref/CBMBQEBBQU |
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renegade
Grassroots
USA
82 Posts |
Posted - January 02 2010 : 09:07:55
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We must not forget that he sterilized women without there consent.
I would not as my Doctor or my Senator. |
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johnmbowen
Activist
USA
414 Posts |
Posted - January 02 2010 : 09:35:36
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Muleskinner is absolutely correct about the negative campaigning - unfortunately.
What needs to happen first is for someone to create a database that tracks campaign contributions and votes as well as all the very public trash that Coburn has already accumulated, and then people to start an internet campaign to disseminate this all over the state daily.
Attacks of the rather ample truth will soak up his time and money in trying to defend himself. Yes, it is "swiftboating" but it will be with real verifiable truths.
After all, Coburn's and Inhoff's premise is that the wealthy should rule for the benefit of the wealthy - shove this into the faces of all Oklahomans every day, and they will finally get it. Make people mad that they are being screwed! |
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vhutchison
Leader
1057 Posts |
Posted - January 02 2010 : 11:27:28
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| JohnBowen is right on. I have posted several times on the votes by our Congresional delegation that would be good campaign material for the Democrats. There have been several recent damaging votes by Coburn et al that should make Repub voters think. Hopefully, someone here has time to make a list of such votes so the list can be distributed to Democrats for campaign use, etc. |
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Mecoyle
Organizer
USA
845 Posts |
Posted - January 02 2010 : 13:37:13
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quote:
Originally posted by renegade
We must not forget that he sterilized women without there consent.
I would not as my Doctor or my Senator.
Brad Carson tried using that information in his last election and it did absolutely no good at all. They still voted for Coburn. |
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Mecoyle
Organizer
USA
845 Posts |
Posted - January 02 2010 : 13:42:20
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quote:
Originally posted by johnmbowen
Muleskinner is absolutely correct about the negative campaigning - unfortunately.
What needs to happen first is for someone to create a database that tracks campaign contributions and votes as well as all the very public trash that Coburn has already accumulated, and then people to start an internet campaign to disseminate this all over the state daily.
Attacks of the rather ample truth will soak up his time and money in trying to defend himself. Yes, it is "swiftboating" but it will be with real verifiable truths.
After all, Coburn's and Inhoff's premise is that the wealthy should rule for the benefit of the wealthy - shove this into the faces of all Oklahomans every day, and they will finally get it. Make people mad that they are being screwed!
In my opinion swiftboating against republicans will not work in Oklahoma. As I've said before, they just find a way to justify everything they do and the gullible people who go vote believe in them no matter what they say or do. Try and remember, the people who justify their stupid actions are people who believe in those candidates just like a religion. They are confused because they actually believe those people are ordained by God to be leaders and they think it would blasphemy to vote against them. In order to defeat those candidates, we've got to find a way to overcome that kind of thinking.
In their eyes democrats are a bunch of Godless, moraless, babykillers vs. republicans ordained by God to be leaders. Given that choice, they'll vote republican every time and they won't bother to find out the truth. |
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JoDavis
Leader
3419 Posts |
Posted - January 02 2010 : 19:11:20
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I agree with both Bowen and Coyle. Yes we need to spread the word about Coburn's two faced slick tactics and for sale sign even though it won't do any good.
Remember the Republicans didn't take over in one election, it took them 20 years and during those years, the Repugs never gave up screamiong and lying about Democratic politicians and policies. Many of us on this board also realize that the Democrats first became arrogant with their majority and then they became Republican in their actions trying to hold onto that majority. Republicans are more arrogant to begin with and will be even more so sooner. Remember how they acted just before they lost Congress. Republicans are great campaigners but lousy at governing.
Persistance is one of the attributes, we need to copy from the Repugs. It always wins in the end.
In the meantime a few Ross Perot and Williams on the ballot would be a big help. |
Jo Davis
REAL DEMOCRATS SUPPORT EQUAL CIVIL AND ECONOMIC RIGHTS FOR ALL |
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peacearena
Activist
127 Posts |
Posted - January 02 2010 : 19:32:54
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quote:
Originally posted by JoDavis
In the meantime a few Ross Perot and Williams on the ballot would be a big help.
I'm not sure who "Williams" is, but from context, apparently a third party candidate like Perot.
Without a big change in Oklahoma's ballot access laws, that kind of situation won't happen here. A BA reform bill is submitted every year, and every year, the two major parties refuse to consider it.
You can't even have a write in campaign. Very undemocratic. |
www.peacearena.org |
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JoDavis
Leader
3419 Posts |
Posted - January 02 2010 : 20:04:09
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| My memory may have failed me again, but I thought the former Repug than ran as an Independent against Henry was named Williams. Independents don't have any troube at all getting on the ballot in Oklahoma. |
Jo Davis
REAL DEMOCRATS SUPPORT EQUAL CIVIL AND ECONOMIC RIGHTS FOR ALL |
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renegade
Grassroots
USA
82 Posts |
Posted - January 03 2010 : 13:49:19
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Where there is a Will there is a Way.
We must find it. |
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bw
Activist
USA
353 Posts |
Posted - January 04 2010 : 11:28:01
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| You get an independent that does not care about winning and use every dirty tactic posible. Coburn can be beat but this is the only way. |
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DocCoach
Organizer
USA
581 Posts |
Posted - January 04 2010 : 23:29:03
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| Rumor is that Georgianna "Buffy" Oliver is going to run against Tom Coburn. |
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Chris Heldenbrand
Leader
USA
4508 Posts |
Posted - January 05 2010 : 03:59:08
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quote:
Originally posted by JoDavis
My memory may have failed me again, but I thought the former Repug than ran as an Independent against Henry was named Williams. Independents don't have any troube at all getting on the ballot in Oklahoma.
I think you're thinking of Gary Richardson in 2002, Jo. |
Chris Heldenbrand
Show up, stand up, speak up, sign up...
Democracy For America - Oklahoma City
http://www.dfalink.com/okc |
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Mule Skinner
Leader
2265 Posts |
Posted - January 05 2010 : 07:15:27
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Hmmm. Not exactly the populist Dem I was picturing that could beat Coburn on his elitism. I wonder what her plan for beating him would be.
Still...she could probably self fund, and any serious challenge would keep him from pumping excess campaign funds to other Reps. By all accounts, they are unusually short on money right now, and that may limit what they can take back. |
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OKDem65
Grassroots
USA
67 Posts |
Posted - January 05 2010 : 18:41:39
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| Hey, Susan - how about running for the CD5 seat? So far, there are several Repubs in the race, plus a Libertarian who is running as an independent. That means that the whackjob vote will be split no matter who gets the Repub nomination, and a Democrat could win. How about it? This race is much more winnable than the Senate seat. |
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JoDavis
Leader
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Posted - January 05 2010 : 21:28:03
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| Thanks Chris, how on earth did I get Williams out of that? Whatever his name, wouldn't it be wonderful if we could get him to run for Congress or Governor again? |
Jo Davis
REAL DEMOCRATS SUPPORT EQUAL CIVIL AND ECONOMIC RIGHTS FOR ALL |
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Raymond Emerson
Activist
USA
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Posted - January 06 2010 : 02:54:26
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People kind of come to me in private and tell me things. I think maybe they know that I can never remember a name when I tell a story. I may have told this one before. On the Monday before the Oklahoma John McCain win a gentleman told me that on Sunday the preacher in his church, the largest one in town, had instructed them from the pulpit to vote a straight ticket for the republicans. I asked him what he did. He said he got up and walked out. I asked if he was alone. He said yes.
The simple purpose of this story is to point out that the single most powerful political force in this state may well be the right wing churches. We are not talking republicans. We are not talking democrats. We are talking churches. We are talking radical evangelical fundamentalist churches. I suspect that they are going to control Oklahoma for the foreseeable future. Please prove to me that I am wrong.
I wish to politely disagree with Susan. Yes there were lots of small contributors to Obama's campaign. But the big money came from the "big boys". The truly smart people in the United States had figured out that Bush was going to create a depression as did his father before him. Eisenhower created the '58 depression. Nixon did the one in the 70s that Carter tried to fix with only one term. Interestingly, though painful, the Carter solution almost held things up through the three terms of Reagan-Bush. This recession-depression is serious. Bill Clinton somehow clawed us up out of the first Bush mess. I agreed and agree with Bill Clinton when he said "Its the economy stupid". Yes I'm off the subject of beating Coburn.
Coburn is an intellectual idiot. He is a know nothing. He doesn't know Milton Friedman from John Maynard Keynes. His technical background and Herbert Hoover's technical background leave them equally unqualified to deal with an economic crisis. There is reason to believe that timidity will put us where Japan has been for the last 20 years. They still haven't pulled out of their slump.
I sometimes think that the U. S. can no longer get anything right. In a depression prices are supposed to go down. Have you noticed that they just keep going up. We can't even get a depression right. |
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Mule Skinner
Leader
2265 Posts |
Posted - January 06 2010 : 06:59:01
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Yes there were lots of small contributors to Obama's campaign. But the big money came from the "big boys".
Obama's top 20 contributors together gave "only" 13 of his 388 million. He could have told every single one of them "no thanks", and only lost about 3% of his funds. By contrast, he got 342 million from donations of less than $4,600 (88%). Heck, he got more than twice as much money from donors in the $200-$500 range (about 30 million) than he got from "the big boys".
So no, the big money came from the little guys.
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Coburn ... and Herbert Hoover's technical background leave them equally unqualified to deal with an economic crisis.
I'd also take exception to this. Herbert Hoover was, by all accounts, actually a very smart guy. I think of him as sort of like Ford, who got stuck holding the bag when the previous administration's sins came home to roost.
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - January 06 2010 : 10:46:12
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| Emerson I agree with most of what you wrote regarding the church people. Your right it is the churches and the pastors that urge thier congregations to vote for republicans and in most cases when you try to have a conversation with these people all thay can tell you is that a democrat is a baby killer, gay lover and we are weak on security issues. 85% of the time they have no idea what a real democrat is, and I will tell you if our state party was smart eveytime they heard of a church doing such things they would have there 501c3 status called in to question and I can assure you at that point there would be some major crawfishin! Because they dont want to loose that money at all. |
I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - January 06 2010 : 10:48:53
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| Coburn will get the money from those right wing nuts, they will right a check all day long because they feel like they are doing Gods work by electing a guy who talks about Jesus. Ya know we are not and have not given those people much option to vote democrat???? What have we done as a party, what collective effort has taken place to defend our belief system. "I am a Democrat and I am a Christian" |
I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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stamptherooster
Activist
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - January 06 2010 : 11:41:50
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| What does the party raise money for? There are still more registered Democrats in this state than republicans.....I don't believe we ought to be sitting on our Laurels through any election. I believe the CD-5 seat is winnable for the Democrats, maybe not Coburn, but CD-5 is...and what are they doing about it? |
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shady
Activist
104 Posts |
Posted - January 06 2010 : 15:19:51
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| The question is how does the party raise money? Is it Todd and Matt making calls that they are instructed to by certain house members? Who are those house members and do those house members hold the control because they can raise certain amounts of money? Your right there are more registered democrats but how are we motivating these democrats? Are we trying? Sooner or later these questions will have to be answered by the state party. Instead of hoping for a solution those who wanted the titles and jobs at teh state party should be giving direction, spreading information, controling rumors, exposing republican propaganda, allow the open door policy to be in full swing. |
I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.
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